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and this is weapons

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smuggle classified documents out of

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Russia is that true

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that is true okay is that the end of the

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story yeah that's it okay we're done so

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today let's talk about that listen I've

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heard you know you've informed me a

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bunch about this but it'll also known

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not only to intelligence agencies but

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also to the public that somehow you went

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to Russia at this opportune time and got

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a bunch of information about their UFO

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programs so I want to hear about that

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well the actual smuggling part of it um

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was uh exhilarating exciting downright

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scary probably crazy and retrospect

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looking back at it now if they had

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caught me what I was doing

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I'd still be in a gulag somewhere we

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know what happens to Russian journalists

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who cross Putin we know what happens to

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business people who cross Putin an

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American journalist was recently

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arrested in Russia for Espionage

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purposes uh I I can pretty much assure

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you that he didn't do what we did back

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then but uh I'll tell you the story so

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among the first people we interviewed

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was Dr capranov he had been highly

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skeptical he didn't know where this was

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going to lead but after eight months of

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digging into this stuff and talking to

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high-level government people about UFOs

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he realized holy crap this is real

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Russian physicist Nikolai capranov a

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national security advisor to the Soviet

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Parliament spent months making the

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crucial contacts with sources who would

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not otherwise be available to westerners

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and who almost certainly would never

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have been accessible to Western

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journalists capranov had heard Rumblings

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about UFO studies over the years but he

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was far from being a believer that is

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until he started asking questions of

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people in high place is

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more and more I started to think that

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this is something for real

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Cheetos one can't you know just just

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drop but what I learned about the UFO is

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that they're certainly for real and that

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the UFO is the one fragment of ovarian

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the aversive and strong

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phenomena the military people are

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looking at that very seriously with

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capranov's assistance our team succeeded

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in making contact with a previously

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hidden Echelon of UFO researchers

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dedicated scientists who had pursued

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their interest in Alien visitors during

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the darkest days of Communism and whose

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findings have never before seen the

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light of day so he told us look I didn't

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really think this was going to lead

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anywhere but now I'm amazed to find out

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that there really have been these

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studies and investigations for a long

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time the second person we met was maybe

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the most important person of all his

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name was Colonel Boris sokolov and he

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was from a distinguished military family

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his father and grandfather had been

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high-ranking officers in the Russian

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military and he was given an amazing

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assignment in 1978. in 1978 there was an

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incident called the Petros about

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incident Petro savatsky is a place where

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they would launch missiles for satellite

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systems Space Program things of that

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sort something happened over Petro

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savatska in 1978 this Jack there's

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photos that I have but we got from the

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Russian military of this gigantic sort

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of jellyfish looking object over the

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Russian military base the official

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explanation was oh yeah a a Russian

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missile exploded this was a mistake

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sorry

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that's not what happened it was

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something unknown and the reason we know

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that is because the Russians went ahead

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and as a result of that incident and

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other incidences that have been looked

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at they launched a study of UFOs and the

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order went out from Colonel sokolov who

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was put in charge of this amazing

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program he said every unit in the vast

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Russian military Empire Army Navy Air

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Force all of them anybody who sees an

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unknown ball of light uh mystery object

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a craft a UFO whatever the heck it is

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you have to collect that information

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interrogate the witnesses put it all

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into a report and it all has to go one

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place and the place it went is Colonel

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borosokolov's desk first an order was

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given to those Pilots to chase the UFO

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most intriguing cases were compiled into

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this thick value although much of the

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data is still being evaluated it appears

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the Russians accumulated a mammoth

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amount of information about UFOs the

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assumption that these craft were from

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somewhere else perhaps outer space

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became a foregone conclusion wow you

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were able to find this guy but what is

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that what is the jellyfish thing you're

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talking about explain that this is Petra

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Savage because there's a fairly famous

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photo now of an object these shards of

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light that look like a jellyfish like

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that was classified like as a UAP or UFO

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yeah the Russian government officially

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said oh yeah this is a rocket that blew

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up but the fact is they launched a

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secret study of UFOs because they knew

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that's not what it was it was something

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else and they needed to get to the

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bottom of it so the person they put in

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charge with Colonel sokolov had a

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distinguished record he was retired at

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the time we found him and he was he was

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a little nervous about talking to us but

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he warmed up to us and then like all the

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Russians that we met

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you know his his Abode was pretty humble

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uh it was clear he doesn't make a lot of

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money his retirement benefits from the

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Russian military he's he's not well off

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but he's spread out a bunch of food it

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must have been like a month's salary for

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the guy he and his wife welcomed this

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into his home we struck up a

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conversation eventually he loosened up a

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little bit and started talking to us

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about the program that he uh headed up

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he put it this way for one of the

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interviews we did he said in essence

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the entire USSR was one big UFO

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listening post it was a tremendous

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experiment it was in all likelihood the

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largest UFO investigation ever done in

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the history of the world bigger than

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anything we've done so Russia was

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studying sincerely UFOs for all those

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decades and the world didn't know about

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it officially in any way no we had no

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idea maybe there was somebody in the CIA

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and knew about this but it was kept very

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quiet until we came back with the goods

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he said this let the study that study

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lasted 10 full years thousands and

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thousands of reports came in and some of

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them were really spectacular and I was

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allowed to not only see the the

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documents but to bring a lot of them

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back and uh I'll give you something you

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weren't allowed to bring a lot of them

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back but somehow you obtained them in

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Russia right so what is that like so

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basically you're talking with a guy who

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headed a UFO program in Russia one of

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the probably the top dogs for the UFO

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study do you think it was one of the top

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dogs he was the top guy he was the top

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of UFO studies in Russia during the Cold

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War for a whole 10-year period and

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you're sitting down having dinner with

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his family because you just had a hunch

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maybe you'd be able to get something

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and then later we made some arrangements

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to try to get some physical copies the

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original the original documents not just

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copies and um

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starting with the orders the orders that

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went out from the ministry of defense

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that described us that went to every

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military unit in the USSR or what used

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to be the USSR and they all had to

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comply now um there are some limitations

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on it as sokolov and others were to tell

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us later some of the best cases during

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that 10-year period very likely were

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siphoned off by the KGB there was a KGB

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officer assigned to pretty much all

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Ministry of Defense units at one point

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or another so anything that was really

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tasty or uh interesting went to them

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first a lot of that stuff went to KGB

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that I did not get to see but the stuff

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that was left over was absolutely

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spectacular

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um he he said there was thousands and

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thousands of cases you didn't have to

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have the whole number but he gave us

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some highlights for one thing uh he said

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there were 40 different incidents in

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those uh in those 10 years where Russian

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war planes were chased after UFOs the

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UFOs would appear in the sky or on radar

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they sent the the warplanes after them

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to shoot them down and I I think I can

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quote them exactly he said

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a standing order was given to our Pilots

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to chase UFOs and to shoot if necessary

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there were 40 cases in which our Pilots

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chased UFOs tried to shoot in most cases

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the UFO would speed up and get away but

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in three cases the pilots crashed two of

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them died

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after that the order was given the

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pilots who see UFOs should change course

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and get out all Pilots agreed we later

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in a later visit when I went back to

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Russia we interviewed General boltsev

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who was the commander of the Russian air

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defenses and he said look we pushed put

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out that order because it in effect we

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concluded that the UFOs had quote

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incredible capacities for retaliation

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don't shoot them they will blow your ass